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Robin Stafford's avatar

As a final year engineering student I was developing models on an analogue computer to solve non-linear differential equations, reading amongst others a Jay Forrester book. Seems obscure even now. What stuck in my head were ideas of non-linearity, systems thinking, feedback loops - some of the basics of complexity and chaos. This was 55 years ago! For me the world has always been more non-linear than linear, complex rather than simple with emergent properties. However I’ve learned that for most people this is far from intuitive and deeply challenging. Even ‘bright’ people - especially accountants and economists - with rigid mental models. Meteorologists have understood this for decades as have environmentalists. A few economists get it with great work at Santa Fe. Failure to understand systems and complexity is a huge barrier to progress, be it environmental, economic or social. Maybe we should be teaching the basics in high school. It’s a whole different way of seeing the world.

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"BUT, in any complex adaptive system, we will always need to keep listening to the local parts...Because, they will be the first to see (feel) the fire / enemy / storm (variation)" -- this reminds me of Hayek's "The Use of Knowledge in Society" for ex:

"If we can agree that the economic problem of society is mainly one of rapid adaptation to changes in the particular circumstances of time and place, it would seem to follow that the ultimate decisions must be left to the people who are familiar with these circumstances, who know directly of the relevant changes and of the resources immediately available to meet them. We cannot expect that this problem will be solved by first communicating all this knowledge to a central board which, after integrating all knowledge, issues its orders. We must solve it by some form of decentralization. But this answers only part of our problem. We need decentralization because only thus can we insure that the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place will be promptly used. But the “man on the spot” cannot decide solely on the basis of his limited but intimate knowledge of the facts of his immediate surroundings. There still remains the problem of communicating to him such further information as he needs to fit his decisions into the whole pattern of changes of the larger economic system."

However Hayek claims that "in a system in which the knowledge of the relevant facts is dispersed among many people, prices can act to coordinate the separate actions of different people", and that in an increasingly complex system, the incentive structures created by reaction to changes in prices are a more effective mechanism than the ill-fated attempt to communicate information to a technocratic center node.

Of course I think this errs in its assumption of efficiency-maximization of resource allocation as the "only" guiding principle of societal organization, something which is captured in Polyani's concept of the "Double Movement" i.e. the reliable, endogenous societal reaction function we can expect against over-subjection to market-based organization. I suppose this reaction function in turn could be interpreted from a cybernetic point of view, i.e. dispersed participants transmitting information back to the central node of policy makers that effectively conveys "I don't like being subject to market forces." Dan Davies captured this well and succinctly here I think: https://backofmind.substack.com/p/the-only-message-the-channel-can

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